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April 29, 2017 5:03 am  #1


Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Some are common, some are harder to find than others, but here's the question of the century.....what was Robert Hall Productions/New World Library, where did it start, who owned it and when in the mid 80s did it fall off the face of the earth with nothing left today but old vinyl artifacts from it's obvious 4 decade run.

Not sure if anyone's uncovered this mystery yet after all these years, but was just discussing this with a buddy tonight, and thought it was time I threw the question out to the community to see if anyone ever found out what the library was.


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April 29, 2017 8:08 am  #2


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Aren't some of the featured composers still alive? Might be worth sending out some emails.
I don't know much about this label, but haven't dug too deep, either. I'll take a look later tonight and see if I can find anything.

 

April 29, 2017 3:47 pm  #3


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Robert (C.) Hall Productions
115 West 57th Street, New York, NY 10019
Tel.: 212-LT 1-7191

Formerly at:
309 West 57th Street, New York 19, NY

Library and sound effects label, seemingly aimed primarily or solely at radio stations. First dated mention of the company is in 1959, and the latest dated record is an LP with "© 1982" printed on the label.
Some people on the internet reference various US radio stations having employed jingles by the company, including one mention of a commissioned theme.

The eponymous Robert (C.) Hall, who presumably founded the company, seems to have been in the radio business in the post-war years. He appears listed for some radio productions, and is listed as scoring a radio quiz show in 1946, then based in NJ. Later he seems to have served as program director at Arlington, WA-based radio station WEAM in the mid-50's. In 1965 he is listed as residing at the (115 W 57) company address. There are unfortunately scant details both about the company and Mr. Hall. Perhaps the most plentiful reference to him and his company are from a 1959 appearance at a radio convention, here referenced in two different contemporary magazines:
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"Whatever happened to Robert Hall?" indeed!


If the printed copyright notices found on the LPs are to be believed, it seems the copyrights were held by publishers related to the composers, rather than the Robert Hall company themselves for some of the later parts of the LP-issued catalogue.
Entities listed:
Musifex Pub. Corp (ASCAP): RH-104/RH-105, RH-204/RH-205, RH-234/RH-235
Arlington, WA-based publisher, founded by composer Robert E. Velazco (born Emil Robert Velazco, Jr. - 1924-2005). Not listed with composers. Appears on earlier records from the label, pre-"New World". May be more closely related to the label.

New Music Pub. Co. (ASCAP): W-270/W-271
Publishing company managed by Doug Lackey, primarily featuring music by Doug Lackey and Gene Kauer.

Tabby Tunes Music (BMI): W-276/W-277, W-278/W-279
Publishing company presumably founded by Don Great.

Brujo Publishing Inc. (ASCAP): W-280/W-281, W-282/W-283
Publishing company related to Paul Jost, Tony Davilio and George Small.

John Danser & Project 9 Publications (ASCAP): W-288/W-289

May-Loo Music Inc.: W-292/W-293
Publishing entity founded by Bill Loose and Billy(?) May.

Tallman Music N.Y.: W-303
Publisher founded and featuring music by Roger Tallman.


Some side notes:
There is a well-known clothes retailer of the same name (actually "Robert Hall Clothes"), who, confusingly, also had a record output with radio jingles. Some contemporary sources distinguish the two as being unrelated, and I can't find any direct tie (or suit) between the two, either.

(115 W 57):
Probably not relevant, but: c. 1939 this address housed the Metropolitan Musical Bureau, a company related to the Metropolitan Opera.
In 1953, the address housed the League of Composers. In 1955, the adress is listed as housing Golden Rule Enterprises, producers of a "dispensing brush".

(309 W 57):
Again, probably not relevant, but: The 309 address is the last residence of the late Béla Bartók, 1945. Notices from 1952 and 1964 reference the managers of Woody Herman and Rex Allen residing here. A notice 1959 mentions this being the address for Wizard Record Co., an R&B label.


Those were unfortunately all my finds for the time being.
There is no information available on the company online, but there must be some paperwork on either the company or Mr. Hall available somewhere.
(Y)our best course of action, outside of (as mentioned) contacting the still-living composers whose names appear here (Gene Kauer-Doug Lackey, Don Great-Dick Hieronymous, Paul Jost-Tony Davilio-George Small, Vic Szczepanski, John Danser, Bill Loose, Keith Foley-Alan Baumgardner, Roger Tallman), would be to visit some official registry of records to see if any more names, addresses or dates pop up.

 

April 29, 2017 9:57 pm  #4


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Fine sleuthing, Mr. Thanks for this.


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April 30, 2017 3:00 am  #5


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Wonderful sleuthing for sure and much found! Thanks for putting the time into that. That musta took many hours. After all the years of my own researching, I never could come up with all you did. It's obvious the library is long dead, and makes sense that it must have been an outlet for different composers/publishers to issue some of their production music to a library without having to sign it all away to a specific library. 

I know it did go on a bit beyond 1982 based on the sounds on some of the later records being that of early 1984 contemporary sounds, and they stopped dating the vinyl after a certain time too. Had no idea Gene Kauer & Doug Lackey had any input in the library scene. Someone I know who had some involvement with Doug told me he passed away just last Summer. Guess there's many more Robert Hall vinyls to hunt out that I don't know of.


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April 30, 2017 8:09 am  #6


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Lackey and Kauer also had a bunch of cues used in Gumby, but I'm not sure if they were from a library or not.


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May 3, 2017 10:08 am  #7


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Lackey and Kauer apparently had a stock library of some sort - the flute theme heard a lot in late-60s Gumby shorts (which I have long assumed to be their work) apparently showed up on Sinbad Jr. as well. A shame nobody asked Doug about it before he passed. (Is Gene still alive?)

Lackey and Kauer's stuff may well have been mostly distributed on tape, like Loose's post-Capitol stuff seemed to be. (And tangentially, I am also thinking that fake-Wagner library track used in the prologue of Galaxina and the first teaser trailer for Superman was tape-only - possibly by Arlon Ober, since BMI lists him for Galaxina cues.)

At least some of the Bill Loose tracks were actually recycled cues from Russ Meyer films like "Vixen!" and "Cherry, Harry and Raquel". I would be surprised if he actually composed anything new for them.

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May 3, 2017 6:42 pm  #8


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Yeah, is Gene still alive? Would be cool to find his contact info, since I'm also very interested in those cues he and Lackey did.

Last edited by apmnut (May 3, 2017 6:43 pm)


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May 4, 2017 4:26 am  #9


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

TServo2049 wrote:

(Is Gene still alive?)

My buddy Jimmy Michaels (who some of you may know his work) is who gave me the info on Doug and Gene. Jimmy and a friend of his (who had worked on a film Doug & Gene was musical directors on) were tryin to locate something in Doug's archives last year regarding it, and Doug sadly passed away in the middle of the research. From what JM told me, Gene has been gone for quite some time.


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May 4, 2017 5:02 am  #10


Re: Robert Hall Productions/New World Library (Phantom In Library History)

Sorry to hear that.

If we take the rest, then, does anyone know whatever became of Don Great, Dick Hieronymous, Paul Jost, Tony Davilio, George Small, Vic Szczepanski, John Danser, Keith Foley, Alan Baumgardner and/or Roger Tallman?

I know Bill Loose has passed.

 

Porn Library wrote:

Guess there's many more Robert Hall vinyls to hunt out that I don't know of.

You can say that again! I thought I'd try to map out the New World output, and found that it was considerably larger than I had ever suspected. Many copies have seemingly never been for sale online, either.
Rough sketch:
Double-volumed LPs ("W-1" / "W-2"):
1-2 to 5-6, 15-16, 23-24 to 29-30 (possibly 1-2 to 29-30) (15 LPs)
50-51, 52-53 and presumably 70-71 to 78-79. (12 LPs)
Presumably 250-251 to 298-299 (25 LPs)
Presumably 400-401 to 404-405 (3 LPs)
Presumably 500-501 to 506-507 (4 LPs)

Single-volumed LPs ("W-300"):
300 to 306 (6 LPs)

In total approximately 65, quite possibly more. And these are just from New World, there are many others released under "Robert (C.) Hall Productions".

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